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:Approximate English Translation: According to [https://szy.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&utf8=1&siprop=namespaces this page], most namespaces in Sakizaya Wikipedia are "case-sensitive", which means that if the case of the first letter of the page is different, it will be treated as different pages. For example, "Saayaway a belih" and "saayaway a belih" are two different pages. Currently, the only case-insensitive namespaces are "Special" (sazumaay), "User" (misaungayay, along with its talk page), and "MediaWiki" (MyitiWyici, along with its talk page). This was set to be consistent with the writing habits (orthography) of Sakizaya, but it also caused some trouble. Since "Template" (taazihan mitudung) and "Module" (bacu-saupu) are case-sensitive, when users add new templates or modules, they must manually convert pagenames into lowercase in order to conform to the orthography. However, many templates and modules imported from Chinese Wikipedia have already used uppercase for their first letter in their names (such as [[bacu-saupu:Arguments]] and [[bacu-saupu:String]]), and it is almost impossible for users to remember which pages should start with uppercase and which should start with lowercase. For sure, manually adding redirect pages to all templates and modules is not an efficient method either. What's worse, this problem may affect maintenance work in the future.
:In summary, I suggest changing "Template" (taazihan mitudung) and "Module" (bacu-saupu) from "case-sensitive" to "first-letter" (the first letter is automatically capitalized) to solve the problems above. I have previously discussed this with [[:incubator:User:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]], who created the szywiki ([[:incubator:User_talk:Jon_Harald_Søby#Some_problems_in_szywp|see here]] for the discussion), and he suggested that I go to the community and ask for your opinions, and see if there is agreement in the community. Please comment below. [[misaungayay:TongcyDai|TongcyDai]]([[pisubelidan tu kamu ni misaungayay sapimatatengil:TongcyDai|sasukamu]]) 2020年2月17日 (sakacacay a demied nu lipay) 23:59 (CST)
:* I am not an active member of this community since I do not read Sakizaya, but couldn't (/shouldn't) the imported templates and modules simply be moved to proper Sakizaya titles after they are imported (which would leave redirects, anyway, unless this is specifically suppressed)? Yes, this is annoying to do "manually", but such work is often required to adapt each wiki to editors in the local language. (In particular, what I'm saying is, keeping the pages at their original English [or Chinese, etc.] titles — however capitalized — would disadvantage Sakizaya users who do not know those languages. This is supposed to be a Wikipedia ''in Sakizaya'', after all.) Also, apart from the tedium of creating them in the first place, I don't see a problem with keeping a bunch of redirects around to help contributors with less knowledge of relevant languages. I haven't been able to verify that redirects "work" in the Module namespace as they do in the Template namespace, but I assume they do. - [[misaungayay:Dcljr|dcljr]]([[pisubelidan tu kamu ni misaungayay sapimatatengil:Dcljr|sasukamu]]) 2020年2月18日 (sakatusa a demied nu lipay) 10:01 (CST)
:** {{Noping|Dcljr}}Thank you for your opinions! Here are some of my ideas. First, setting those namespaces as "first-letter" will not affect those who use lowercase in page names, it will just bring greater efficiency when we create/import new templates and modules, <u>especially the intricate ones.</u> (To be clear, I don't want those elder editors be responsible for these annoying problems that can be easily solved by changing the settings. And case-redirects is no longer needed if we change the settings!) Also, I want to mention, the only difference between Sakizaya orthography (as I referred above) and English orthography is that Sakizaya don't capitalize the first letter of every sentence, so changing these two namespaces to "first-letter" should have nothing to do with orthography — we still keep the main (and other) namespaces case-sensative! Second, though it has few to do with the topic, keeping the pages at their original titles should be totally fine, you can see many most-frequently-used templates and modules' names are in English in all wikiprojects (for example, [[wikidata:Q48029|Template:Commonscat]] and so) — if some users really want/need a local name for it, just create a redirect page. [[misaungayay:TongcyDai|TongcyDai]]([[pisubelidan tu kamu ni misaungayay sapimatatengil:TongcyDai|sasukamu]]) 2020年2月18日 (sakatusa a demied nu lipay) 15:00 (CST)
tatiku "saayaway a belih" kasabelih.